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mkopelke |
Present, Past, & Future Danger (Part 1) |
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After a short delay of just over 24 hours taking place, we're pleased to announce that finally Part One of our 15th Doctor Who adventure is now on-line, and ready for you to download. Featuring a great script from BTR newcomer Aurora McPherson, some great post-production from the writer herself, and a blistering original incidental music score from the keyboard of BTR music supremo Robert "Beyond Traditional Recognition" Warnock, we hope you enjoy the first 1/3 of this gripping slice of space adventure! Will the Doctor and Guy manage to work out why they're facing immenent collision with another TARDIS - one that looks vaguely familiar? Download the episode and find out! Once you have, feel free to vote in the below poll to register a quick and anonymous vote, or better still, reply to this message and join in the discussion of the episode with fellow members of the cast and crew!
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David H aus |
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I like it!
It took nearly an hour to pull down on my dial-up line, but it was definitely worth the wait. There were good performances all-round, backed-up with very good post-prod from Aurora and Jacqueline. Boris is a real surprise find -- one could be forgiven for thinking Aurora had somehow managed to employ Russell Crowe! I'm looking forward to the next episode. "You've just seen history!" |
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Robbie Biggs |
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Ooh, I'd completely forgotten about this! Downloaded the file but i won't be able to listen to it for some time because of the file extension.
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DoctorBooBu |
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Another great episode from BTR - solid acting, good post-production and terrific music (I really liked the kind of tense, jumpy musical style). The cliffhanger was a bit abrupt (probably just because the credits came almost immediately after the final line of dialogue, rather than leaving a pause between the two), but apart from that, top-notch stuff!
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mkopelke |
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Just while we're on the credits, the reason they come in so suddenly is for the simple reason that they are so long! Easily the longest set of credits for a single BTR episode! I did not want there to be such a short gap, but there was nothing I could do - I'd even tried re-recording them several times, in the hope of getting through them quicker.
What's worse is that subsequent episodes in this serial are going to be worse, because the cast expands. Hmmm... |
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witold tietze |
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at least the cast only expands by one player!
but while we're on the topic of credits, cheers for updating them fully, matt. it's good to see that absolutely everyone has received their full due now. i'd like to thank aurora especially for being such a terrific canadian unit director, but then i suspect those thanks are covered by the full co-director credit she now receives, which was at my request. anyway, here's looking forward to more commentary and feedback, and it's nice to see that the constructive kind is already starting to seep through. but i know aurora and i would be interested in hearing some comments on the story and script. nothing is certain. maybe.
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robinthecrow |
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Would it have hurt to give the ending title theme an edit so it plays longer?
Laters,
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Eric Lance Busby |
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Quote: The BBC use to have a longer theme on the series when they had a lot of guest stars to credit. |
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witold tietze |
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the trouble is, we've got a specially commissioned arrangement of the theme tune, and we didn't commission a longer version.
mind you, i don't think there was even time for editing, as the finalised credits (which were quite a bit longer than the original ones) only came in the other day. anyway, it's all done now, but we'll certainly keep these ideas in mind if the problem arises again -- which i suspect it will in a fortnight. nothing is certain. maybe.
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mkopelke |
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Oh, I considered extending the theme - it's not hard, just time consuming. However, I simply did not have the time to fiddle around with finding a loop point. I just stuck the credits on, and uploaded the file.
And what Eric says is true - the BBC had three different versions of the theme tune, depending on how long the credits were. There was the 40 second version, the 55 second version, and the 75 second version, which then became the norm under JN-T's reign. The BTR closing theme is the standard 75 seconds long, which is usually long enough for our purposes. It just so happens that this time around the credits were longer than 75 seconds - oh well... such is life... |
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trevorgensch |
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Not bad, not bad at all
Plusses: Runcie's professor - very well realised. Almost unrecognisable as Runcie Witold's world weary assistant - bordering on cliche, but still fun to listen to Guy - bearable, due to him not speaking very much (thank goodness) Cassandra - interesting new Timelady, enjoyed her 'bubbliness' with all the deadly serious stuff happening around her (more on her below though). Trell - interesting companion (even if I thought he was Runcie with a gruff voice until the credits were read out) The story was engaging enough, perhaps trailing off into oblivion towards the end with not a lot to do, but it kept the interest there. Negatives: The music - I didn't hear one bit of score that I felt was appropriate to any scene it was used in. What got to me was the use of invasive score over dialogue scenes. Soundscape - overall it was good, but let down by a few areas of muffled speech (the climbing the tree sequence the most noticeable). I also couldn't fully grasp the pauses in sound after a bit sound effect. Sound effects - sometimes they could be a bit over the top design-wise (TARDIS crashing in forest for example) Cassandra - "The Doctor saves the universe all the time, but I'm just here to shop!". OK, she didn't say that, but what started out as a talkative Timelady with a sunny outlook ended up like a bad Legally Blonde impersonation. I just got sick of her constant inane nattering. Overall, I found Part One engrossing for the first three quarters. Colliding timeships, professors etc, all very interesting. But once they reached the forest it seemed to grind to tread water. And then! Oh no, Autons! Oh my goodness, another even bigger threat! The warriors with the weird name! Oh my goodness! Run and hide! Run straight into the credits without nary a pause! Looking forward to part 2 though, even if to hopefully hear the Doctor and Cassandra sharing a dialogue scene or two. Trev. |
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Eric Lance Busby |
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I have to admit I rather liked it for the most part. I felt Boris Linzender really stole the show. Very gruff voice I loved it. Is he the same Boris Linzender who's been a few lower budget sci-fi films from the great white north?
Anyways I have to admit I like the contras between him and the Doctor. Polar opposites. He might make a good companion for the Doctor sometime. Eric L. Busby Production Head Darker Projects Audio Works www.darkerprojects.com |
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mkopelke |
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Trev,
Quote: Well, now that I've picked myself up off the floor... Quote: I can't decide if I like Runcie's performance or not, to be honest. Although different from how Runcie normally sounds, I am not sure if I like the "fawnicating" aspects of his character. Quote: I think Witold's standout scene is his last one in this episode, where there's just a hint of mystery revealed about his character. Even I don't know where this story is going - I went into this recording session completely cold, and still have no idea what's going on in it. So the mystery on Glover works nicely... Quote: How can that be a positive when it's so insulting to Kane as an actor, and a person? That's like one of us saying "Gee - Trev's been a nice person of late, but that's only because he hasn't opened his trap", or something similar... Quote: Yes, Cassandra is an interesting character, and I think Aurora did a nice job with the portrayal of the character. Now I just cannot decide if her character wears a leather catsuit, or a cardigan - it depends which side of her personality is the more dominant, I suppose... Quote: Dunno how you got that impression, but oh well... Quote: I agree that the second half of the episode kind of seemed a little arkward, with the two parties really just wandering around and discovering a variety of monsters. But I seem to recall things become more focussed in Part Two... Quote: I honestly thought the music really made this episode, with it working really well. I know I spent hours trying to line it all up perfectly, to ensure the best result. Ho hum... Quote: I have no idea what you're going on about at this point, Trevor... please explain! Quote: I wish you'd make your mind up, Trevor - previous reviews you've said the soundscape was too minimal, and now you think it's OTT... Quote: Hmmm... must have missed that bit, then, as I couldn't detect any inane nattering... Quote: Yep - that was all my favourite stuff as well. Quote: Yep - totally agreed. Thankfully it all starts to pick up again in Part Two... Quote: Well, that is kind of the point of a cliffhanger, to stop suddenly on a dramatic high (which is essentially what you describe above)... Quote: Well, we definitely have a scene or two together - I remember us recording them! |
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trevorgensch |
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Quote: If I was to find fault with it, it would only be in comparison to the next scene with the first Doctor dialogue in it - the dialogue and delivery was very similar - cat, old girl etc. A minor quibble though, more to do with script editing than the actual performance. Quote: Was there? Didn't get that. I just enjoyed his "weary assistant" stuff. Quote: It wasn't insulting Kane himself, it was insulting to his character, and my long held feeling that Guy talks too much. Quote: I definately consider her in the mould of Romana 1, with the elegant finery that she wore also, that certainly was the image that popped in my head when listening. Quote: I felt it was a combination of poor placement and poor cues to begin with - it just never really worked - dramatic music during an exposition scene for example. [/quote]Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Soundscape - overall it was good, but let down by a few areas of muffled speech (the climbing the tree sequence the most noticeable). I also couldn't fully grasp the pauses in sound after a bit sound effect. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have no idea what you're going on about at this point, Trevor... please explain! [/quote] The scene that stood out for me as being badly engineered was the one with Trell climbing the tree - I could barely make out what he was saying. Also niggling to me was the early scene with the Professor and his assistant - they seemed to swap foreground and background audio stances leaving me confused as to where they were in the room. Some parts where I thought they would be just standing there talking pretty much in the same spot turned out to be them apparently moving around due to where they were positioned in the sound mix. Quote: In your Blakes 7 one I felt it was very minimal, specifically at the end when they were trying to escape. In this one the sound effects went into overdrive, especially when the TARDIS lands/crashes. Quote: I agree, but I felt that this jumped into the credits so quickly and so abruptly I wasn't sure what had happened in the cliffhanger. When can we hear Pt 2 of Blakes 7 please? Trev. |
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mkopelke |
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Trevor,
Quote: Am now also bemused about what you mean here. Perhaps having just finished teaching Year 8 students in Drama, and now being on my lunchbreak before going out this afternoon to practice Tug-O-War with my Year 10 students, has frazzled my brain. Quote: Go back and re-listen to that second-last scene. Lots of mystery dropped about his character... Quote: Yes, but we all know you've made your feelings about Kane as an actor, and as a person, quite clear - basically, you don't like him at all, and would prefer it if he'd not act in future. That's what I find insulting, and found implied traces of that in your review of this episode. Quote: Yes, that is very true, and a very valid observation about her character. That actually sums up much better my own observations on the character... Quote: Ummm... the only time that happened was when Guy and Cassandra are talking about her relationship with the Doctor, which had menacing moody music underneath it to try and highten the dramatic impact of the fact that Cassandra is trying to avoid answering the questions directly. Quote: Right! Now I understand where you're coming from. Yes, I too had a similar issue with some scenes, but in the end I just lived with it, because it's a very valid method of using the audio medium - it's just not my own personal cup of tea. So, rather than pull my observations down because of something that's affecting me, and me alone, I ignored it, and just put up with it. Quote: Ummm... no it wasn't. That scene had the most number of tracks of SFX in the entire episode. It was not minimal at all. Don't know where you got that from. Quote: Well, it was rather trying to convey across the severity of what was going on. Can't be minimal in those situations. Quote: Well, I've posted elsewhere in this thread on this particular topic, and so won't repeat myself. Quote: Well, Alasdair is currently rendering the cover for us, and new composer to the stables of BTR, Paddy Leitsch, is working on the incidental score. Both of which will be completed by the end of the month. Release is scheduled for late April, early May. Howzat? |
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DBS Producer Aurora |
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Well finally, some talk about the actual episode!! *laugh*
Okay Trev, Quote: I agree, David did a wonderful job on this character. I knew that he would and I had some very strong words with Witold about him playing it. *grin* Quote: When writing the script, I was totally going for that cliche but at the same time add a little bit of an air of mystery to him. I think Witold did very well on it. Just wait till you hear part two! Quote: *nods* Well, I have to admit that part of the.. uhmm.. 'bubbliness' came from a severe case of the giggles while recording. Quote: Trell is quite interesting, although I think most of it came through Boris' portrayal of him. I'd like to insert a small tidbit of info here on Trell that Boris tried out FOUR different types of accents for him. The one used (aka the 'Russel Crowe') was the one I thought suited the character quite well. Even though he _was_ trying for a cockney accent.. Quote: Okay, I have to say here that what you are hearing in this audio is only about three quarters of what I originally wrote. Witold and I were so hard pressed to edit this story down to a reasonable listening length.. (I think the original time was about three hours.. right Witold?) That some of the scenes, although I think work as they have been recorded, are cut down quite a bit. Quote: I think the music works quite well, as this is not your 'typical' Doctor Who story. Quote: Okay, I'm the first to admit that the tree scene wasn't exactly up to snuff. I've never done a scene like that before so I was left grasping at times. I apologise for that. Also, it doesn't help that Boris has this huge voice that is quite the bugger to get the sound levels right on. We're working on that though.. *laugh* Quote: Okay, the TARDIS crashing scene was meant to be completely OTT considering it wasn't just one TARDIS crashing but two! Plus, there was an added bit in there.. something that will become much clearer in part two. I'd also like to challenge the listeners to play a little game while listening to the completed audio (all three parts!) .. a little game I call: "Spot the Other Series SFX" if you guys can tell me which SFX I got and modified from other sci fi series.. I'll let you in on a little secret about Cassandra.. *big grin* Quote: *cough* Inane nattering? Bad Legally Blonde impersonation? Hey! I resemble that remark!! :P Well, the way I figured when I wrote it that Guy was trying to get a 'feel' for this new person and also get a few hints about the future.. in his own way of course. And, when asked, Cassandra can sometimes ramble on about her... uh... nevermind.. you'll find out. *big evil grin* Quote: *blink blink* Warriors with the weird name.. okay, I'll have you know that the Z'Tran started out into existance as the Calata.. and then Zantran.. and then finally the Z'Tran.. it took my daughter and I two days to come up with the right name for them. *chuckle* The cut off point is a little jarring, especially with the huge amount of credits that needed to be rattled off during the theme.. (Willing to bet that Matt is seriously reconsidering doing another joint project with us...) But, part two things start moving along.. some things will be answered and new questions raised. *smile* Quote: Well, like Matt said, we did record a scene or two.. so it's coming! It's coming! *big grin* Ciao! Aurora |
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trevorgensch |
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Quote: Very similar "doddery old characters" is all I am saying. Fussing over their creations/machines. Quote: Fair enough. Something to savour for the train ride home. Quote: That's a bit strong - my translation is I don't believe Kane has the range to carry off a variety of roles. Which still incidentally has nothing to do with my belief that Guy talks too much. It's how he is written is what I don't like. Quote: Like I said, one example. Another I felt the music didn't work was during one of the scenes with Runcie and Witold. Sorry, I can't be more specific than that without re-listening. Quote: Well, that's not how I appreciate an audio. That's not how I appreciate anything. Production, acting, effects, music - its all or nothing as far as I am concerned. One part can pull down another. An actor may be delivery an Oscar worthy performance but if the other parts of the scene are out of whack, it pulls the performance down with it. Quote: Did we not discuss this in the B7 review thread and it was generally agreed that the soundscape was threadbare for the escape sequences? Quote: Not good enough. |
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DBS Producer Aurora |
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Quote: Holy moses.. you've SEEN them?!? Wow! Yes, he's the one and the same. *smile* Quote: *LAUGH* Hands off buddy! He's all mine!! Mine I tell you!!!!!! Bwahahahahaha!!!! Ahem... I mean, Trell will remain Cassandra's companion for as long as Boris chooses to remain in the role. (Unless I can actually get Russel Crowe the play the part... *giggle*) Ciao! Aurora |
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DBS Producer Aurora |
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Quote: *jumps up and down* Catsuit!! Catsuit!!! Ooo!!! Ooo!!! Ah... *calms* Yeah... Might be an interesting idea... And hey, this is audio right? We're not going to do any films... oh wait.. crap.. uh... yeep! Aurora |
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trevorgensch |
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Quote: I did hear the odd lapse into a different accent here and there - but that was only because I was listening for Runcie lapsing (part of my initial mis-conception Runcie was playing Trell also). Quote: If that is so then why does so little happen for the last 10 minutes (in comparison to the action packed first 20)? Quote: Oh, that's an easy one. You used the beginning of the teleport sound from B7 as an alarm at one point. Secret please! Trev. |
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DBS Producer Aurora |
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Quote: Well, considering that Boris is Canadian by way of Yugoslavia, I think he did a fair job with the accent. Quote: Well, it can't all be action packed, now can it? Besides, it had to end somewhere!! The cliffhanger is what makes you want to find out what happens in the next part. *smile* Quote: *buzzer sound* I'm sorry, that is the incorrect answer. Please try again!! No secret for you today.. besides.. I said all of the three parts.. try again when the story has finished being released! Ciao! Aurora |
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