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Not good en... ah, never mind.

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given that it's been established that nobody found it funny the first two times, that's probably for the best.

which i say only because i'm of the belief that if nobody finds a joke funny, there's not much point in labouring it. of course, if that's someone's thing, then that's their thing and i won't stop them.

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I am sorry you found that offensive but it wasn't meant to be and it wasn't.

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your apology would be accepted if i was sure you meant it. you seem to be saying that the remark definitely wasn't offensive (regardless of intent), which is a plain lie as it was offensive. i was offended, i said so, i wasn't lying. (unless that last "it wasn't" means something else, which again comes back to the whole lack of clarity thing.)

that said, given the almost complete lack of good will in our mutual history, i'm amazed you could think that i'd assume on the back of no other evidence that you're suddenly being nice to me completely out of the blue. from what i've seen of our confrontations over the years (in which i've been attacked, berated, conscended, insulted and just generally verbally abused), that would strike me as implausibly uncharacteristic. had we been friendly all this time, however, i may well have spotted the joke.

but i'm covering old ground now, as matt mentioned something similar in one of his posts today: a history of negativity will yield an expectation of more negativity.

as for my alleged "over-analysing", i had precious little choice. the query i replied to was so vague as to be virtually useless, so surely my attempt to address what the query might have been was appropriate. it was either that or say, "what the fuck are you on about?", which wouldn't have helped anyone, would it?

mind you, i still don't see how an objection to someone's longwindedness is reason enough to insult them or take the piss out of them or crack a joke at their expense or anything of the sort.

but again, it seems that i and my manner of posting are being attacked because of the way in which i (apparently successfully) helped someone.

regarding the jokes, all i can say is that if three alleged jokes in a row are not spotted as such and are taken as abuse, then it might be a good idea for the person dishing them out to give it a rest. surely any sensible person would realise that his brand of humour is only making things worse, and that to persist is to tempt fate. regardless of whether or not we "get" the jokes, we've obviously found their content offensive thus far, so one would hope that someone with a decent amount of civil conduct would spot a connection and give up for fear of offending people further. (in short, your "mischief" isn't welcome here, trevor, for the simple reason that it's not recognised.)

now, if that's overanalysis, then i apologise, but at least i'm looking for a solution, and i think i've found one. whereas constantly pushing one's luck achieves little in this regard.

at the end of the day, though -- and i can't believe i'm saying this -- it's our forum, so we're entitled to run it however we wish. if anyone objects to that, they're certainly entitled to their say, but we're not under any sort of compulsion to make this place democratic. we've tried that so far, and look where it gets us: some people having free reign to carelessly offend others, and vice versa. mind you, that we don't have to be democratic doesn't have to be a bad thing, either. if anyone would prefer to run their own btr appreciation (or any sort of) forum, then we're hardly about to stop them from going and creating one. but if it's said on this forum, which we pay for, then it's said according to our rules. simple ownership management. we're going to try to continue running this forum in as fair a manner as possible, but if anyone feels they're uncomfortable being here, then nobody's compelling them to stay.