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mkopelke |
Present, Past, & Future Danger (Trailer) |
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Commencing the first of our Doctor Who releases for 2004, we proudly present the trailer for our fourth adventure in Season Three. Entitled Present, Past, & Future Danger, it is written by Aurora McPherson, whom you may remember as the person who did post-production on both Fortitude in a Slipstream and Second Sight. As well as writing this particular adventure, she also handled the post-production, as well as taking one of the lead guest roles. Anyway, enough waffle from me. The three-part adventure will be released over the next six weeks, with each new episode arriving with a fortnight gap between them. Feel free to vote in the below poll to let us know quickly and anonymously what you think of the trailer, or feel free to reply to this message and join in on the discussion of the trailer with members of the cast & crew. We're eager to hear what you think of the work been done!
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Eric Lance Busby |
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I thought we'd be hearing the first episode today.
Oh well..... I quite liked the CD cover. However the Ogg file proved to be a major source of severe irritation to me yet again. I swear converting it into something that I can actually play is about as much fun as a Boa Constrictor trying to crush me to death so it can eat me. No, offence, but I'll take a good MP3 over Ogg any day of the week. Peace Eric Eric L. Busby
Production Head Darker Projects Audio Works www.darkerprojects.com |
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DoctorBooBu |
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A nice little trailer. It's certainly got me excited about the story, so it's done it's job! Just one question, who is the lady on the cover art?
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witold tietze |
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i'd comment on the trailer, but as i edited it, all i'll say is david's trailer script was, i thought, very good, even if i had to make slight adjustments because of dialogue availability, performance quirks, etc.
i should also mention the cover art. it is, again, terrific. i, too, would like to know who the mystery lady is (and i hope we've got permission to use her likeness), as she looks absolutely nothing like aurora or caroline to the best of my knowledge. or illyana, for that matter. btw, eric, what's wrong with ogg files? i'm sure we've been through all this before: basically every version of winamp since around 2.91 has been compatible with them, and they produce better quality for file size than mp3. if you're a luddite, then fair enough, but i can tell you now that we're sticking with ogg as we prefer them and nobody else seems to be having too many problems. although they're not as universally supported for cd burning, are they? that's one area we might need to look into, and if we dig up any software that does the trick, we'll definitely advertise it on here. actually, one 20-second web search later, and i found this, which you might find useful. nothing is certain. maybe.
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DrRevenge |
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Not a bad little trailer, as is common place with all BTR trailers, they never really give away much.
The audio work isn't too shabby, and the bits of dialog used, do sound interesting, I must admit. Cheers Scott. |
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witold tietze |
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the trouble with this particular story, scott, is that there are some very interesting twists and surprises, and it's sometimes a chore to keep them all secret. (i suspect the same will be true of your season finale in a few months.) however, i think david's trailer script -- with my minor alterations -- keeps up the intrigue quite well, and coupled with the blurb is a good bit of enticement.
nothing is certain. maybe.
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Eric Lance Busby |
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Quote: I guess I am coming at this from a "what is the best way to serve the customer' approach. I'm not just talking about burning them to CD because there are ways to do that. But we live in a world now where a lot of people (Myself included) have portable MP3 players. Its a lot easier to download something and install it into a portable player or burn to CD, rather than having to sit in front of the computer for a half hour just to hear an episode. I like being on the go. And yes there are ways to convert the files into something more usable. But that mean more work on the target audience. And that in the long run can alienate people. They have to download the trial version or buy it. Make sure the software is running right and not mucking something else up. Then convert the ogg file. A lot of people who can only play MP3 or WMA might just shrug their shoulders and say 'Screw it. It's not worth my time or money. Or its too hard." This is why I keep all my file in MP3 format. A lot easier to just download and play. Just my opinion guys. Eric L. Busby
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mkopelke |
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MP3 is an ancient format that is over 10 years old, and is slowly starting to loose popularity, due to the explosion of newer and better audio formats on the market. These newer formats (such as OGG, AC3, AAC, and WMA9) are all far superior to MP3 in every single way, and that is the main reason we've gone with OGG for our audio files.
Add to this the popularity of the Winamp 5 player (which has in-built audio CD burning capabilities as well) and you can suddenly see how easy it is for someone who downloads an OGG file off us to burn it onto CD. Just open the OGG file in Winamp 5, stick a blank CD-R into your CD-R drive, and burn it straight onto the CD-R. No fuss. No bother. No problems. I remember 5 years ago people were cursing about fan audio groups using the MP3 format instead of the audio "standard" WAV format. Funny how the same complaints occur all the time, it's just the context that changes. |
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witold tietze |
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eric,
that's fair enough, but it does still come down to popular compatability vs higher quality. i guess we're among the betamax camp at btr. i'd like to suggest to matt at this point that he looks into the possibility of making both versions available for download, but i suspect he'll tell me there's not enough server space -- which is also fair enough. but i'd argue that the proportion of our listeners with mp3 players is possibly too slight to justify using the lossier mp3 format exclusively. in an ideal world, we'd like to cater to everyone's needs, but in that ideal world we could also get away with putting up wav files, if you catch my drift. still, you seem persistent enough despite your complaints to keep on converting these things, which i think proves sufficiently that if someone really wants to listen to the thing (and we have no other incentive, since we're not losing sales or anything), they'll find a way to do it. as always, feedback is appreciated (usually the once is enough to get our attention, though), but on this occasion i don't think the pros of mp3 outweigh the cons for us. btw, there are file conversion apps out there that are freeware -- just not on the page, i linked, obviously. and they work very quickly, i.e. they take about a minute at the most to convert a file. which i can't imagine is that big a deal at the end of the day when you're downloading and then copying to an mp3 player, etc. oh, and there's always an ipod. nothing is certain. maybe.
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DBS Producer Aurora |
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How is it that these threads end up turning into discussions about anything but what the topic started out to be? *chuckle*
I'm glad that the trailer has everyone intrigued.. just wait till you hear the entire audio!! Ciao! Aurora |
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Eric Lance Busby |
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Quote: Its all irrelevant in the long run guys. Years ago, people argued which was the better format of VCR, Beta or VHS. And when you looked at it often Beta was the better of the two. But most people went with VHS anyways.... Well at least here in the States they did. And computers. Often you can look at them and debate which is the better computer to buy. Mac or a PC are the big ones. Again when one looks at them I would have to say the Mac if by far the superior machine. Yet the world is all but run by Bill Gates and his PC software platforms. Although I do have a soft spot for Linux. If you all want higher audio quality. Hey I say go for it. But the average person on the street, who may not be as computer savvy as us, knows how to run MP3, because most PC and Mac can run MP3. And I'm not even going to bring in the personally MP3 players here. Things like OGG, AC3, AAC, WMA, and God only knows what else are alien and strange issues to them, and can alienate them with ease and drive away. But hey like I said, It's all irrelevant. I've found people often going to go with what is easiest for them. If OGG works for you. Go for it. Eric L. Busby
Production Head Darker Projects Audio Works www.darkerprojects.com |
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mkopelke |
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Eric, you make it sound as though we need your "blessing" to go with a particular format, and that despite receiving your "blessing" you think we are still doing the wrong thing. Well, that's how your post reads.
In the end, it doesn't bother me. So far, you're the only person to complain about OGG. I also think you're making our audience out to be thicker than they actually are, which does our audience a disservice. The number of IP addresses downloading our work hasn't dropped since we changed formats - in fact, it's increased, which suggests people aren't having problems with the format change, as you seem to sugget. So I would prefer it if you could drop your personal vendetta against the OGG format from this thread, and allow it to return to the matter of actually discussing the trailer - this thread is not a forum to voice your views on a format you do not like simply on personal grounds, because you prefer MP3. If you wish to continue this discussion, please create a new thread somewhere else on the board where it would be more appropriate. |
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Eric Lance Busby |
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Quote: I think you may be reading me wrong. Vendettas have never been my thing and tend to make one late for dinner. If OGG is the way you want to go. You have my blessing. I'm simply stating my opinion. But hey, who the hell am I? Eric L. Busby
Production Head Darker Projects Audio Works www.darkerprojects.com |
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mkopelke |
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I've already stated that this discussion is off-topic, Eric, so please either get back on-topic, or take this discussion to a new thread in one of the other sub-forums where it would be more appropriate. This thread is for discussing the new trailer, not for allowing you to air your OGG bashing opinion.
Which, I notice, you manage to drag into every thread we create, and as Witold stated in his post, telling us once that you don't like the format is more than enough - we're not thick, so please don't keep reminding us that you don't like the format. Want to avoid the heartache of the dreaded OGG format? Easy - don't download our releases. Simple as that. |
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Eric Lance Busby |
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Quote: You know what else is off topic. Tacos! There is not mention of it anyplace in this thread! But enough about OGG and tacos lets discuss the teaser. Which is funny because I always thought they were rich kids who buzz alien worlds that have not made alien contact with and strut up and down and make meep, meep noise in front of someone no one is ever going to believe. But again enough of that Now then what did I think of the teaser? I liked it. I have long waited for the first Cassandra tale! Really and I am glad it is now on its way. I loved the CD cover with the cat and two TARDISs as well as what Cassandra looks like. I for one look forward to what you all do with this. Now about the other evil uses of OGG.... Okay Mathew put the gun away, I'll drop it! Eric L. Busby
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witold tietze |
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Quote: and i think we can assume that this is because it's off-topic. so could we keep the ogg discussion in the same arena as the tacos, please? sorry -- didn't know what else to say. that entire section that i quoted was so off-topic as to be rather odd. at least the stuff about the teasers made a bit of sense! anyway, point being, if anyone did start going on at length about tacos in this thread, we'd ask them to take the discussion elsewhere as well -- preferably to a taco-related forum. nothing is certain. maybe.
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Eric Lance Busby |
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Can I take from your message Witold that Tacos are not welcome here.
Oh to see a day when the prejudice against tacos is gone and they can run free in the wilderness once more.... Sorry I couldn't resist that one. Eric L. Busby Production Head Darker Projects Audio Works www.darkerprojects.com |
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mkopelke |
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Eric, how many more times do you have to be reminded about off-topic discussion? I've already stated that your posts are wildly off-topic, and so unless you want me to take more stern action, please cease immediately. Both Witold and I have asked you to shut up, and yet it does not appear to be working. How many more moderators do you want to piss off?
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witold tietze |
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careful as you go, matt -- some people might get pissed off that we, as moderators, actually want to moderate!
nothing is certain. maybe.
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mkopelke |
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Witold,
Quote: Ah, but at least we have good reasons for moderating, and don't just ban people for daring to speak on-topic and possibly improve the place, now do we? |
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Eric Lance Busby |
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Quote: Why do I feel like you guys are talking about me???? Its my hair isn't it. I can't help I'm loosing it. Its all genetics! Eric L. Busby
Production Head Darker Projects Audio Works www.darkerprojects.com |
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