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mkopelke |
Doctor Who & The Monopoly Pub Crawl of Doom |
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OK, so I've not stuck in the full title to this crazy sci-fi comedy written by Jacob "Zautrino" Aldridge. However, Ezboard will not give me the space to write the full title anyway. So, with that little introduction out of the way, we hope you've enjoyed our special little Christmas Day treat. We've certainly tried to make this a laugh-out-loud comedy adventure for the Doctor and his companions, but at the same time not compromise the integrity of the source material. Hence the reason we cut out the scene where the Doctor punches up Santa, goes to jail, and does not collect his dosh. Anyway, have a listen, and feel free to vote in the below poll to let us know what you thought of it, or reply to this thread and post some more detailed thoughts. So, Merry Christmas to all, and to all, a good night!
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witold tietze |
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pretty good little adventure. though perhaps "little" is an inappropriate term, given that our christmas short trips this year both seen to be a touch on the long side...
my complaints are minor. some of the performances aren't 100% to my liking (owen's publican in particular occasionally sounds like jon blum doing sylvester mccoy!), parts of the stock music are all too familiar, and some of the comic timing seems the slightest bit off (though this is probably because i had specific deliveries in mind when i gave jacob's script the big red pen but we really must stop jacob from dragging us back to late season two all the time just so he can give himself a guaranteed role! oh, and i love matt's dasher: uniquely insane! also on the plus side is owen's "dude": i swear this character came right out of the opening scene of "the texas chain saw massacre"! but why the hell did you keep my "righto parker" ad lib in?! as for my other ad lib, i thank you so much for changing your mind and keeping it in! scary thought for the day: by the time i got to the christmas rap, i felt like i was on lsd! nothing is certain. maybe.
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mkopelke |
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Quote: Yes, I know - and I've suddenly realised I've not actually stated this anywhere for public consumption. The one big aspect of this particular adventure that I am currently totally uphappy with is the lack of an original incidental score for the piece. We just didn't have the time to get one comissioned, but I plan on rectifying that in the New Year. So, over the next 2-3 weeks I am going to be working on this adventure, cleaning up a few of the issues I have with the post-production, as well as getting an original comedic score for the film. Look out for a "Special Edition" of this adventure, probably around Valentine's Day. Well, this revision work certainly will be a labour of love for me... |
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mkopelke |
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Quote: Yes, that is indeed true - and although I would have preferred them to both clock in at around the 10 minute mark, I think the longer length works nicely for these special one-off adventures. But I hope no-one thinks this is a new trend we're setting - our standard length is still 10 minutes! Quote: True. I think comedy is certainly a hard thing to master correctly (drama is much easier, I feel - but comedy is one tricky beast), but I think with each new step we take our releases get just that bit better. I think all your criticisms are quite valid, and for the most part I agree with them. Quote: Well, as Producer of our Doctor Who series I am putting my foot down on this particular trend. We are not producing any more adventures for this particular gap in our continuity. It's too full as it is, and Zautrino already has his own spin-off series! So leave it be everyone! Quote: Thanks for the comments about Dasher - I hoped to create a performance that was distinctly different from the Doctor, and for the most part I think I succeed. Although I occasionally drop out of role, it does work. Oh, and I agree about Owen's Dude - he gave me a perfect performance! Quote: Hehehe - I thought you'd like the "Doctor Rudi" inclusion. Quote: Oh, you're not alone in that mate. I still have no idea what the whole idea with Da Free Parkin' Christmas Rapper is (am hoping Jacob enlightens me at some stage), and I did seriously moot cutting it in post-production. However, I left it in, and it does add to the total insanity in this adventure. |
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witold tietze |
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Quote: at least it ought to be easier than that special edition of iotd we were planning once! might as well have called it "dominion" and be done with it. but i've finally worked out the source of the stock music, which had been bugging me for a while because it was so familiar. Quote: that definitely goes for the films as well. i honestly though while preparing ccs that it'd be lucky to hit the 10-minute mark. how wrong i was... Quote: a lot of my comments were focussed on the early parts of the play. i must admit that virtually everything about it gets better as it goes on. Quote: one thing i should've done while editing the script, which i'd intended to impart to you in person, was a note to take it or leave it. i honestly wasn't sure if you'd want it in there, as it's pretty expendable, but i never got around to mentioning this! btw, i've noticed that another "terrible" vote has turned up on ccs. which i thought was probably a legit one until i saw that there's a token "terrible" vote on here. although my hunch may be wrong, i'd be willing to guess that both votes were made within about a minute of each other, and may simply be a silly response to your original complaint about the definitely dodgy vote. fwiw, other than yourself, only kath and i had seen the completed film before release, and we both loved it, and she hasn't voted on it. so there's no way it could've been a genuine vote. nothing is certain. maybe.
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mkopelke |
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Quote: Too true. The advantage we have with this particular re-mastering project is that it's not a total re-launch of the project. I am just getting an original score for it, and fixing several small niggles I've got with the post-production. That's really all there is to it this time around. Quote: Well, for the record I sampled the music from both God Rust Ye Merry Gentlemen and The Six Million Dollar Brain. Hope that clears up any stress or worry on your part, as you tried valiently to discover where I had sourced the stock music from. Am so glad we have so much music in our library! Quote: Oh well, I think for a one-off situation such as this it works, and it does show that we are able to make films that are of a duration longer than 10 minutes. One day we might actually get around to making some of those feature-length film ideas we've got running on the backburner... Quote: True. I think people slowly got into the "groove" of the production as the recording went on, which means that each successive scene is better than the one prior to it. Hard to say where the scenes actually switch from being "normal delivery" to "champagne comedy", but it's there. Somewhere. Quote: That's OK - Jacob mentioned it to me himself on the day of recording, hence the reason I toyed with the idea of taking it out, as it really didn't make much sense, and added nothing to the narrative. But it was a chance to prove that once and for all that Doctor Who should not do musicals! Quote: Well, it was done about an hour ago, so it's certainly a vote that's been made while the film has been available. I suspect this particular vote was from someone who merely wants fun & frothy pieces released around Christmas time, and seemed unprepared to judge the piece on its own merits as a film. Quote: For the reasons I outline above, I suspect it is. I am all in favour of people not liking what we produce, as it proves that variety really is the spice of life. But I just hope the person did vote for it in a legit manner, and just didn't vote "Terrible" simply to try and rig the poll, which if so just sickens me. |
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mkopelke |
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I now notice that a "Terrible" vote has also appeared here, and it appeared at almost the exact same time as that other "Terrible" appeared on the Christmas Comedy Special thread. Which kinda shows that it's most likely someone (maybe from a "rival" group, or someone with a grudge against us?) just voting to try and skew the percentage totals.
Unless it really is a legit vote, in which case I formally ask whoever it was to step forward and identify themselves. Just that it's hard for us to monitor the accuracy of the polls if this is the reason this is happening. If it's a legit vote, then great - if not, I wonder why people behave like this... |
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David H aus |
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I'm sorry, but on this one I can only vote "average".
The story had good possibilities, and using stock music ranging from The Six-Million-Dollar Brain to The Greatest Show in the Galaxy was a reasonable proposition given the tight deadlines we had for getting this production in the can. But I think those tight deadlines worked against us as well. Some of our various performances -- mine in particular -- let the whole thing down badly. My only excuse for the rap is that I could hear the Greatest Show CD skip while we were going for the take, and it distracted me (the disc wouldn't have played properly if I'd had the anti-shock switched on). I still feel I should have tried another take which perhaps could have worked better than that resequencing. And I honestly wish I could have managed to come up with some kind of spiel improv for the auctioneer to run under the final scene -- looping the scripted line just does not work. The "Doctor Rudi" in-joke didn't quite work either because it involved Witold switching accents from Cockney to Afrikaaner and back all in the one line, which those who don't know about Life Support (the Australian-produced satire of lifestyle shows, which features Dr Rudi) and/or who wouldn't know who Dr Rudi is, would perhaps only interpret as a characterisation failure. And just what were Matthew and Witold saying during the brawl sequence, anyway? It got a bit M-rated towards the end. I can't fault the effort we all put into this one, but this was one occasion where that effort couldn't carry the production. "You've just seen history!" |
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witold tietze |
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Quote: i think our efficiency with these medium length productions shows that we're becoming more capable at managing bigger projects, so i suspect such lofty goals are coming within greater reach for us. Quote: or simply that runcie shouldn't? Quote: wouldn't mind a bit of commentary, to be honest. i can understand why someone who felt it was terrible might be reluctant to express their opinion in more depth, but frankly i'd be curious to find out what they didn't like about it. any vaguely useful feedback is good feedback, after all. Quote: that would seem to back up my theory. cheers for looking into it. Quote: even if only to determine its legitimacy. if said person genuinely despised both of these productions, then as you say, that's their decision. but yes, the dodgy vote to start with does make it difficult to be sure. nothing is certain. maybe.
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trevorgensch |
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Overall? Hated it. Paradoxically I found the comic timing to be almost spot on for the first part - amazing considering I am not a big fan of Kane's ramblings. Perhaps this adventure kept his verboseness to a minimum (a very good thing) and concentrated on what he is is good at - comic relief.
I found some of your Knight's lines spoken as though he was holding back a smirk during recording (tragic considering he is supposed to be the straight man of the troupe). And Matthew's line "The TARDIS, it's gone". Oh my goodness. Pure ham. I enjoyed all the stuff in the pub (although the publican was truly awful). The story at the beginning seemed to flow a lot better than previous audio adventures - the main problem I always have is they seem to jump all the time - never any real coherence between different locations. Oh dear, just got to the Knight's companions in the pub crawl - what awful accents. With Matthew having such a prominent role it was a mistake to have him as one of the drunkards (am I wrong in that? Sounded like him). In fact, listening further all the pommie accents are beyond awful, they are an affront to humanity. Especially that guy who mentions about "entrapment". I'm 17.5 minutes in - just turned it off at the point the rap starts - looking for a modern interpretation of the DJ from Revelation or the horrid parts of Greatest Show? I just can't waste my time any longer with this - its beyond awful. I stopped 8 minutes ago caring what the hell was happening to anyone of the characters. And I'm not a particular fan of the script's stabs at religion and the fundamentals of Xmas - when has Doctor Who so openly gone beyond parody and moved to outright criticism? And is not a moment too late a moment too soon (21.01)? This Christmas audio is so inappropriate for Xmas as to be the worst production you have ever done - after such a promising and enjoyable beginning. Trev. ps. I have just added my "its terrible so I'll vote that way and yes I did listen to it" vote. Is there any way of changing the voting so that only registered users can vote? I seem to remember in the old days it was easy to see who had posted/voted due to IP addresses being recorded with each post. Does that not happen anymore? |
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Unitgeneva |
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I was hoping to reply before this thread turns into a bloodbath or something, here's hoping.
Overall I think there are some aspects of the story that are good, there are a few nice moments in there, it's certainly not *die laughing* material. Not sure what happened with the post production on some lines (over bassy?), but anyway. It seems I have found a friend in Trevor at any rate, the bloke's an American, based on a couple of charecters and some real voices I have in recordings (it's amazing what you can pickup out of read aloud copyright notices), he's not British and he's supposed to be a weirdo -quite out of his head, you'd have to be to be discussing old comedy routines (that's in the foot notes of the script, and the "dude" line was added by the script writer as a late inclusion as well, some of this stuff may well alienate listeners I guess). As I was saying to Matthew the lines as they were written sounded like he (the Dude, Matthew has a few years of sanity left???? Can we have a confirmation of this fact? As for the "barman/publican" I think it would've benefited if I'd done a second take as that was the first time I'd run through those lines that morning. I might also add that the voice is a combination of those I've heard on BBC Radio, so the accusation that nobody sounds like that on radio ever if it were to so come up is a bit of a fairy myth (see below for more on stylised radio voices). I can take criticism, so I really couldn't careless what kind of slagging goes on about the two charecters I played, though I am more than certain the delivery of the "dude" was top notch insofar as how I pictured him from what I'd been given to work with. I can't help if people don't like Americans etc. Most people have trouble believing that the recording is in fact of me and not someone else to, which is another goal of voice acting. It doesn't mean I wont try harder next time. I tend to dislike scripts which have "cockney" written on them for a few reasons really: A) Everyone seems to have their own idea of what cockney sounds like B) I'm not sure I've ever really met a through and through cockney speaking person C) I don't have the time at the moment to actually push my voice that far and I don't have much in the way of exceptionally good cockney recordings to meld phrases and vowel sounds from. The other thing to remember with radio is that voices are stylised. Pronounciations are deliberately accentuated as part of the experience and that's what I hope to bring out in any voice I do, and I'd encourage any other voice artist to do the same. A lot of TV announcers don't really speak the way you hear them in real life either, though it seems that some have gotten stuck in their voice patterns after reading deeply for so long. I think what needs to be remembered when critiquing a program like this is that I don't believe this was ever a seriously written comedy, Mr Aldridge has included a lot of his own spinoff/you had to be at X or Y to know what's really going on kind of thing. Which is good if you get all the in jokes/have also been to a christmas party and overdone things before turning up to a recording session... Some types of panto and theatre may wander off in some of the directions found within the program (not always for good I might add). I must admit that the DJ seems a bit weird as an inclusion, (what's he doing????), I have the script and I still don't know why he's there (apart from the possibility of trying to get Runcie to do something for a bet??? Come on guys, admit it!). As for Trevors question on IP addresses, if I may so rudely pretend to be from about here, they're rather like water droplets, plenty bobbing around the surface you can see, but there being few you can actually grab & identify by sight. I don't believe this represents the worst ever BTR effort either (a certain Dalek story comes to mind), or the worst audio drama I've ever heard either (something that you can barely listen to/would probably ruin your speakers). Now I expect this post/thread in true forum tradition to become swamped by all kinds of arguing, fighting, cat scratching, biteing and stuff, so I'll leave people/experts in such pursuits to it. Mr Spratley. From OIABM Productions |
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Well, I actually quite liked this story. It wasn't really laugh-out-loud funny (I mean, I couldn't spot any obvious "ha ha" jokes), but the story served as a fun little diversion. The only really bad points were the DJ, because it was a bit pointless, and David's rapping was pretty cringe-worthy, and the self-referencing, something I've never really liked in any form (the stuff about the barman being a "vital plot character" or something, and the Doctor's outcry about "time and space adventures starring Rupert Everett" were irritating). But otherwise I felt the acting, post-production and the like were up to BTR's usual high standards.
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witold tietze |
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i'd like to start off by thanking trevor, owen and morgan for their reviews, which together make for some very diverse and interesting reading.
trevor said: Quote: he's called the ebullient zautrino. and he's not a knight, strictly speaking. he's now been in four productions and you still appear to be struggling with the name, so i thought i'd offer this friendly prompt for future reference. Quote: then why didn't you stop listening 8 minutes ago? seriously: if it's so much torture, we honestly won't bitch and moan if you want to do something sensible like saving yourself the agony. i mean, we appreciate the perseverence, but we'd rather people continue having pleasant lives than subject themselves to discomfort purely for the sake of a review. Quote: this is just an aside, but i find that statement amusing given its use of the abbreviated form "xmas". Quote: i thought about this line very carefully when editing, and "not a moment too late" makes sense, whereas "not a moment too soon" would not, since they're near the end of the auction. unless the auctioneer was being sarcastic, in which case you'd be correct, but he wasn't. at least he didn't read that way in jacob's script. owen said: Quote: if it does, the blood won't be flying because of anyone at btr, i can assure you! Quote: how's that mean you have a friend in trevor if he guessed incorrectly? (just asking.) Quote: you'll have to ask jacob: as script editor, i gave matt the option to take it or leave it. Quote: oh, i hope not! nothing is certain. maybe.
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Guest |
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Well I liked it. It was a fun and entertaining piece, wacky and zany and an amusing way to spend half an hour at Christmas. Plus I enjoyed hearing Zautrino again since I think he's a cool character.
I also really enjoyed the Sprinkle of Stardust trailer at the end and am muchly looking forward to that release. The reason why I've put the heading "Attention Trevor" at the top is because I wanted to take the opportunity to ask him to do a review of Dominion Episode Two if he could. He said he was going to, back in his review of episode one but he seems to have skipped it and since moved on to reviewing all the other huge amounts of material that BTR have released so recently. Perhaps it marks me out as a glutton for punishment but I am genuinely curious to know what he thought of that story's finale. "Blood-baths can be fun. Provided it isn't your blood." Darran |
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trevorgensch |
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Hello Guest,
It does look like with the flood of new material from the folk at BTR I did indeed miss Part 2 of the adventure. I'll try and listen to it soon if you are truly interested in my opinion of it. From memory I enjoyed Part 1. Trev. |
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trevorgensch |
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Quote: Yeah, I know :-) I just find it easier to call him "Knight". Quote: I suppose I would prefer to try and listen to everything of what I review. I did sorta end up listening to it all in the end as the mp3 was still running while I started up my review. Quote: I still find it funny. Let's say I was racing to catch a train and just made it - would not a patron on that train say something like "and not a moment too soon"? Trev. |
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witold tietze |
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Quote: i doubt that'd interest darran too much as he didn't write it. Quote: well, without the benefit of that piece of knowledge, your approach can appear ignorant at best. so it's lucky we've all got that piece of knowledge now, isn't it? even though it'd be as accurate as calling john howard "queen" or something to that effect. Quote: perhaps -- but that patron would still get it wrong. whether or not you find it funny, it's logically correct, which seemed to be the issue you were making in the first place. nothing is certain. maybe.
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mkopelke |
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I've been away for a couple of days, while I sign a lease for a townhouse to rent at my new home of Hervey Bay. In that time, nice to see people discussing our Christmas audio. Thank you everyone for taking the time to download the story, and we hope you all have had a great Christmas.
Sure, the story wasn't to everyone's taste, but that's the wonderful thing about variety - what we produce doesn't have to be! If you didn't like it (like Mr Gensch, for example, who by his review must be seeking therapy about his "audio ordeal"), then that's great - while at the same time if you liked it, then that's great also! Each to their own. Just so long as people are honest about what they think, then I am one happy chap. |
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witold tietze |
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Quote: so long as he doesn't expect us to foot the bill! nothing is certain. maybe.
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trevorgensch |
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Quote: Because I don't remember the name of a character with a tortuous name? Don't be silly. Trev. |
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witold tietze |
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Quote: again with assuming i'm silly. (please note it this time, trevor, so i don't have to go back-referencing it for you in future like i did last time.) you've now had the opportunity, over the course of many months, to listen to/watch four separate productions featuring this character, whose name has not only been listed in credits and publicity material, but also at the top of this thread. to refuse to do such minimal research that you not only fail to use his name on every occasion (despite prompts in more than one thread) and also name him after a royal honour which hasn't even been bestowed upon him seems, in the context of a review which one hopes is not simply culled from vague memories, to be ignorant. it shows that you can't absorb (or at least note down) such a simple concept as a name. which displays a level of ignorance to those who don't know it's deliberate. (whereas it probably shows disrespect to the writers, more than anything else, when it's known that it is deliberate.) so i'm not being silly. i'm describing my impression of your misuse. which is what i did the first time around. which means that what i said is not so much "silly" as "representative of fact". which are two quite different concepts, last i checked. incidentally, i did note at the time that ignorance was not your intention, or so you may have noticed. (it would've been extremely silly, in light of your comments, to not.) however, simply because someone's interpretation of your words differs from your own, is that really cause to suggest that they're being silly? no, they're being different from you. i'm sorry to everyone for making a mountain out of a molehill, but i do get that way sometimes when i'll called childish names for sharing my perception (opinion?) of something. especially when that something is only an aside in the first place. nothing is certain. maybe.
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