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dafty boy |
McCoy... super or pants |
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Was McCoy any good?
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GazHack |
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Hmmm there seem to be some categories missing from this poll
Despite the odd bit of snarling, the Seventh Doctor is smashing. McCoy was just the kind of quixotic personality that suited the role. Gaz |
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Rob Dunlop |
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Nate Gundy |
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Yeah. Sorry to be the third to come to his defense, but I quite like McCoy too. His lows could be low indeed, but his highs were simply delightful. And frequent enough to make him a favorite of mine.
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dafty boy |
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I feel, watching his performance objectively, he is just such a bad actor. I'm not talking about the character of his Doctor, here, which could've been quite interesting. It's the performance, the delivery, the face-pulling, the sheer awfulness of every moment on screen.
By the way, Gareth. I was wondering how off topic we are allowed to go. Should we be chastised for not talking about audio drama. Must it be yours? Or can I feel free to talk about the time I watched snails in the garden and had buttered scones for tea? |
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GazHack |
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I'm all for an active forum so I say feel free to move off topic into films, books and indeed invertabrates.
If you want to talk about other audios, if its a group that are based on this forum, then naturally, you ought to post there. If its BBV or Big Finish or even Magic Bullet, you can post here or the General section. And thinking about "The Hulk" as we weren't, I think its going to be best to compare the CGI to Ray Harryhausen's splendid, but less than realistic creations. But we'll find out soon enough. Gaz |
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dafty boy |
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Now that you're moderatering, does that mean you have to stay online 24/7?
I mean, what if (heaven forbid...) someone slags you off in the middle of the night? Does it sound an alarm in the Batcave? Wow. With great power.... |
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GazHack |
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Absolutely. When the red Dalek on my video shelf flashes, I know I must leap to the secret door and descend to the secret Phantom Frame media centre beneath Preston manor!
Gaz New fantasy audio available from: http://zap.to/fineline
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Randombird |
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Soz Gaz but I suggest you read Cervantes before you use that word again.
BTW- Sorry Dafty but I quite liked McCoy, although his actual acting skills are a bit poor he made up for it with energy and his two words in the film wiped the floor with everyone else in it. Controversy!!! |
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Will Hadcroft |
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I think he's embarrassing when he does "comedy". Pratfalls, gurning, and all the rest of it (even a gurning regeneration; what was Segal playing at saying yes to that?!) - awful. His attempts at wrestling with demonic powers leaves a lot to be desired too (the bit where he confronts Light in Ghostlight with his umbrella outstretched - cringeworthy), not to mention his shouting ("Haaace! Haaace! Open the doooor!" - Remembrance; "There - will - beeeee - no - battle - heaaarrgghh!" Battlefield).
However, I do feel he is rather marvelous when it comes to being spooky and sinister. For almost the whole of Remembrance he is on form (discussing the Hand of Omega at the school in Part One; his "and didn't we have trouble with the prototype" speech; the 'sugar' nighttime cafe scene; and his "unlimited rice pudding" gag is genuinely funny). Parts of Silver Nemesis are great too, particularly his lone scenes with the statue. The Curse of Fenric has to be the best though. No wonder Virgin and Big Finish chose to develop this side of him. |
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Will Hadcroft |
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What, more than Pat, Jon and Tom???! Was Sylv the Doctor you grew up with or sommat? (Even so...)
I think Sylvester has some great moments, but Tom's the Doctor for me. |
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Mark Lenton |
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McCoy was super and you know it dafty!
Don't forget 'It's not an acting part' as someone once said. |
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dafty boy |
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Yes, Mad Tom said that. Well, I think the views on the poll speak for themselves, most viewers think he was 'adequate.' So he hardly scaled the heights!
A note to Will Hadcroft. Have you looked in the mirror lately? There seems to be two of you. An obviously mad McCoy lover and a rather more sensible chap. Anyway, the McCoy debate continues to rage. Don't forgot, of course, that McCoy got the show cancelled and even his small presence in the tv movie was enough to stall any ideas for a series (based on 'The Gunfighters' according to that book!). Basically, JNT never cast anyone who was any good. Just scan down the list of stories he produced and spot the howlers; McCoy Richard Briers Bonnie Langford Ken Dodd Waterhouse Richard Hurndall (when there was a perfectly good Bayldon) the list goes on and on. Now go back down the list looking for good performances. Yes, there are plenty. Usually cast by the director. |
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Unregistered(d) |
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McCoy suffers from one thing and one thing only.....if the tv movie is anything to go by. If we can forget the only similarities between JNT and Segal as fan type proucers for a moment, we must look at two things: 1) McCoy's BBC years in the series; and 2) the first fifteen minutes of the movie. The first are almost completely awful. The second, well you sit up and think "perhaps it wasn't McCoy's fault all along!!!"
In other words he was a JNT Doctor. All of them seem to have been miscast. To me you have five distinctly different Doctor Who eras (think of Segal's console for this next bit). You have the Hartnell era; the Troughton era; the Pertwee era; the (Tom) Baker era; and finally the JNT era. Then you have the tv movie. I really liked Davison even though he was miscast. I liked Colin Baker in all his pre-Who tv interviews and couldn't wait for his first story. Then after a CRAP first story, he was given what I regard as the last proper Who season. It wasn't perfect but enjoyable. Then after the you-know-what we were treated to the worst story/season in Who history. Following this we had McCoy. All those four seasons were absolutely dreadful. I thought C. Baker and McCoy were the worst Doctors ever. Except when I saw the first fifteen minutes of the U.S. tv movie I realised that it was probably the production team, headed by a producer who desperately wanted to leave, was probably to blame. Under proper direction, on film, made by professionals (and I'm no mega fan of American tv normally but they do do the basics in a very professional way) he was a fairly normal actor. So to this day after proof positive by way of an almost different medium we can see that McCoy was in fact actually ok. I was left thinking "if only we could have seen him in a season like the tv movie or even just part of a different regime..." but too late of course. So now I don't judge McCoy by his acting, but by his 'era' and everything else that goes with it. By the same token I must give Colin Baker the same consideration. |
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Will Hadcroft |
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Maybe they accidentally cloned me instead of Gareth!
Actually, my second comment was in answer to Rob Dunlop saying the 7th Doctor is his favourite. Don't know how it ended up beneath my second comment. |
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Will Hadcroft |
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Hmmm. My third comment has landed in the wrong place too. I suspect I'm clicking the wrong reply button...
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dafty boy |
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I think, Will, that whichever post you reply to, you get stuck on the bottom. All these diefferent forums use different methods. Google sticks you in the middle of the thread. Could someone tell me how to post and include a quote from a previous post? I can't get that one.
Back to McCoy! I agree with a lot of what Tofu said up above, certainly his summing up of the JNT years seems fairly close to mine. As I said, JNT was absolutely hopeless at casting. Season 18 already gave us some pointers. He revamps the series, gives it a great blast of fresh air and then cast Mathew Waterhouse as the new companion. Doh! I don't agree that McCoy was anything other than adequate in the tv movie. I'm sure he was very closely directed for a start. He certainly wasn't given the freedom to prat about as he was in the tv series. And he wasn't allowed to say much! That might have spoiled it, too. I actually enjoyed seeing McCoy in the movie. I enjoyed the first few minutes. I started hating it when The Doctor arrives in the U.S. and is shot down in a back alley by chinese gangsters. Say what!?! This isn't my tv programme anymore. Maybe I'm stuck in the past and should move with the times, but I don't watch Doctor Who for this stuff. The Doctor dies heroically, saving his friends or the universe. After that I was against it almost every step of the way. I've wandered again... |
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DoctorBooBu |
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So Dafty, how do you like to think your Doctor regenerated into Joe Binks?
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dafty boy |
Regeneration... not a moment too soon | ||
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What happened with my Doctor was I was just wandering around London, between adventures, when I saw the McCoy Doctor walking towards me.
Trying to get away before he spotted me, I ran across the road and was hit by a big red bus. |
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Rob Dunlop |
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WILL : "What, more than Pat, Jon and Tom???! Was Sylv the Doctor you grew up with or sommat? (Even so...)"
I didn't grow up with any Dr, (first watched in 1993), but guess Sylvester would have been the closest, so you're probably right Will. But Sylvester McCoy is very good in the part!! I really liked his stories... What's so wrong about them?! Rob. |
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dafty boy |
McCoypants | ||
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sigh...
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